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17 - Favourite series 4/2008 story
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My favourite season 4 story was...
Voyage of the Damned
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Partners in Crime
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
The Fires of Pompeii
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Planet of the Ood
4%
 4%  [ 1 ]
The Sontaran Strategy/The Poison Sky
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
The Doctor's Daughter
8%
 8%  [ 2 ]
The Unicorn and the Wasp
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead
26%
 26%  [ 6 ]
Midnight
34%
 34%  [ 8 ]
Turn Left
17%
 17%  [ 4 ]
The Stolen Earth/Journey's End
8%
 8%  [ 2 ]
Total Votes : 23

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Greg
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 11:06 pm    Post subject: 17 - Favourite series 4/2008 story Reply with quote

This poll will open on 1 November to give everyone a chance to digest the whole season.

So, what story knocked your socks off this year?

Multi-part stories are treated as a single story.

The Children in Need mini-episode, Time Crash, isn't included as it wasn't a full story, nor has it been shown on Australian free-to-air TV.

Feel free to say why the story you chose was the best of the season, in your (possibly humble) opinion.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What, no one yet?

OK, it's Midnight for me. In an ongoing sea of arc-related stories and stories hinting at significant events in the past and future, to have this single stand-alone story was great. No need to worry about the whole thing fits together, its all here in this small vehicle.

One of the things that Russell T Davies is often accused of is writing stories that have no real depth, that are all flashy nonsense and silly jokes. Well, if you think that, you haven't been paying attention. He can write all sorts of stories, but knows that the public expect a lot of bangs and flashes from science fiction.

Here, he doesn't do the bangs and flashes. He sets out to do what Doctor Who has always done - challenge and scare the viewers. And he does it brilliantly.

He is aided and abetted by a great cast, and in particular Lesley Sharp. He's written for her many times in the past, he knows what she can deliver as an actress - and in this story she delivers in spades. Great delivery of a very complex script and blimey if she isn't the most scary thing on screen all year!

Oh, you can tear it apart and point to all of its influences - the Airport movies, The Exorcist, years of base-under-siege serials in 60s Who - but its greater than the sum of its parts.

And if no one else wants it, then it'll be mine all mine!

I must admit the small role for Catherine Tate didn't hurt my enjoyment of this story one bit.

Best in show, I say!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's gotta be the finale for me. I'm a simple girl - give me megalomanic villains, Daleks, explosions, action ... basic stuff, and I'm sold.

Oh, and the Doctor/Rose didn't hurt either Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Midnight for me. A very close call with Turn Left but Greg is right, it was the standalone aspect of this story that did it for me, and its being able to be completely scary without actually seeing flashes and bangs.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm with Monty.....and the fact he was naked and had Donna's mannerisms

I did like Midnight though
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got to say The Doctor's Daughter. It was everything that I love about Who. A science mystery that can only be solved by the Doctor and an intriguing concept that we haven't seen before. Not to mention the characterisation of the Doctor and humans. Midnight was a close second.

I'm going to be really annoying here and say that Jenny should be spelt Genny cause her name came from Generated or something.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ickabod wrote:
I'm with Monty.....and the fact he was naked and had Donna's mannerisms

Yes, it was great watching as Donna tried not to get distracted by Mr Ten-inch...
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think she would've been interested - didn't she say in 'Partners in Crime' that she didn't like long skinny sticks?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probaby right there Sulp....but I do Twisted Evil
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meglos



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very tricky. Hard to choose between The Finale, Turn Left, Planet Of The Ood and Midnight. End the end I would say Midnight by a nose Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

O.O Tricky... I had two to choose between...

Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead vs. Voyage of the Damned...

In the end I couldn't choose either, as they both appealed to me. I love Moffat's darker Doctor Who episodes, I really think the show should be darker. And his stories are really intriguing. But Voyage of the Damned was awesome, and some of the best Doctor Who I've seen.

But I chose my first option in the end. Why? Because I considered it first, and I don't like to think of the Chirstmas specials as a part of the season. Anyway, now I'm going to be all eager until 2010... Too bad Moffat's not working on a special himself.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went for Turn Left, although Fires of Pompeii and Midnight were close contenders. Despite featuring Donna so heavily, I really enjoyed the look at a world with no Doctor - the only thing that let it down a little was how stupid that bug looked. RTD really impressed me with both Turn Left and Midnight, and then absolutely destroyed any respect he'd gained from me with the finale...but that's pretty much what I was expecting. I've had serious problems with all of his finales, and this was possibly my favourite of the lot, but still...too much obvious fanservice for me.

Anyway, I need not point out why I liked Midnight so much, as others have already done so for me. Fires of Pompeii just had some brilliant humour in it that I really enjoyed, although I always dislike it when the companions are required to bring out compassion in the Doctor. I've always thought the Doctor to be better than that; more noble than any human... even Donna (please forgive the pun).
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Greg wrote:
One of the things that Russell T Davies is often accused of is writing stories that have no real depth, that are all flashy nonsense and silly jokes. Well, if you think that, you haven't been paying attention. He can write all sorts of stories, but knows that the public expect a lot of bangs and flashes from science fiction.


It might be the case that RTD can write a decent story, but the reason he's accused of writing stories with no depth is because that's where he heads 99 per cent of the time. Midnight was an amazing diversion off an otherwise tawdry road of childish mediocrity.
Which is why I plumped for the obvious and voted for the Moffatt two-parter. It wasn't his best - god knows how he's actually going to better Blink; he may come to curse its brilliance one day - but it was still, despite the odd flaw, riveting, surprising, weird and unsettling. Midnight was great, but as you said, the influences were pretty stark, and I still can't forgive RTD for the huge pile of shite that was Voyage of the Damned.
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Sulp Niar



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speckled Jim wrote:
Greg wrote:
One of the things that Russell T Davies is often accused of is writing stories that have no real depth, that are all flashy nonsense and silly jokes. Well, if you think that, you haven't been paying attention. He can write all sorts of stories, but knows that the public expect a lot of bangs and flashes from science fiction.


It might be the case that RTD can write a decent story, but the reason he's accused of writing stories with no depth is because that's where he heads 99 per cent of the time. Midnight was an amazing diversion off an otherwise tawdry road of childish mediocrity.


I don't think I'd agree with that, to be honest. Even if we're comparing with Moffat! As an example, apart from the really lovely "I've got old man's hands... how did that happen?" scene about unfulfilled potential (that's probably not verbatim btw), 'Blink' is really just a bloody scary version of a child's game (Moffat said this himself). The narrative tricks are lovely, but that only makes a depth of plot.

But with 'Midnight', amongst the creepiness, you learn something about people like us in a stressful situation and what they could do, and you see a different side of the Doctor. And with 'Love & Monsters', amongst the silliness, you learn something about people like us in a fanboyish situation and what they could do, and you again see a different side of the Doctor (before 'Blink'!).

Russell does write stories with "flashy nonsense", as you said, but few of his stories have no depth. Especially compared to nearly every other story in Series Four, barring Moffat's...

Oh, I forgot to say what I voted, too. Well, 'Midnight'. It had to be, I think.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A well-constructed argument, Sulp Niar, but I'm sticking to my guns. I don't see depth to RTD's writing; anything he tries to make profound comes across as obvious and poorly executed, and it's spoonfed to you. Subtlety is alien to him, and personally I reckon it's the key to clever scriptwriting. Make people think, don't spell it out in big neon lights for them (and then add several explosions, a deafening soundtrack and a gooey love scene).
And I don't see the fanboy parody in Love & Monsters as anything other than a smug fingers-up at the people who keep his show rating so well. Plus, more than anything else, it was just flippin' embarrassing. I watched it through my fingers.
One thing I will miss when he's gone is these interminable discussions about RTD - not only here. Outpost Gallifrey should dedicate a whole new website to them.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speckled Jim wrote:
One thing I will miss when he's gone is these interminable discussions about RTD - not only here. Outpost Gallifrey should dedicate a whole new website to them.


Laughing You certainly do enjoy them don't you Speckled Jim

and I love reading them
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Sulp Niar



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm guessing Mr Moffat will have the exact same thing happen to him when he takes over too, haha.

Fair enough at what you said, although I can't help myself here:

Speckled Jim wrote:
And I don't see the fanboy parody in Love & Monsters as anything other than a smug fingers-up at the people who keep his show rating so well.


I don't think fanboys are responsible for the high ratings... anyway, I don't see how it's anything but an affectionate dig at worst. That "so much better" speech at the end... to me it's saying, despite any negative aspects, being a Doctor Who fan is worth everything.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, I always felt the underlying message of Love and Monsters was: if you find something you enjoy and people you enjoy it with, don't let anyone else tell you to stop. Far from being a parody of fanboys, it's a celebration of being a fan and what that can mean.
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Ickabod



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Greg wrote:
Actually, I always felt the underlying message of Love and Monsters was: if you find something you enjoy and people you enjoy it with, don't let anyone else tell you to stop. Far from being a parody of fanboys, it's a celebration of being a fan and what that can mean.


I agree with that wholeheartedly, Greg....I think that's why RTD did it

I loved Midnight....most of S4 was pretty good Cool
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Sulp Niar



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Greg wrote:
Actually, I always felt the underlying message of Love and Monsters was: if you find something you enjoy and people you enjoy it with, don't let anyone else tell you to stop. Far from being a parody of fanboys, it's a celebration of being a fan and what that can mean.


That's what I was getting at, put far, far better. Thanks Greg.
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